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  #61  
Staro 10.04.2005, 23:57
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Staro 11.04.2005, 13:56
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Meni se zdi ta serija knjig neprebavljivo zatežena. Prebral sem prvo in iz čiste trme (da vidim zakaj ves hype) še drugo knjigo in sem bil neomejeno razočaran.

Ritem zgodbe je počasen, kar me navadno niti ne moti, če je razvoj zgodbe in oseb uravnotežen in realen. Vendar v teh knjigah ni. Vsi akterji, ki so vpeljani in ki bi bili lahko nosilci dogajanja, prej ali slej pomrejo. Zlasti pozitivne osebe imajo le eno funkcijo - čimbolj zateženo smrt. Teženje se začne v prvi knjigi in se stopnjuje v drugi - 2000 ****nih strani.

Mogoče kdo misli, da je knjiga "realna", ali celo "fantazijska literatura" za odrasle. Kdor meni, da je svet, v katerem le spreverženi in pokvarjeni osebki v življenju uspevajo realen je imel res smolo v življenju, niti ne ve veliko o sociologiji in etiki. Junaki tudi niso življenjski, niso "sivi" - so črni in beli, dobri iz zli, le da je prvih zelo malo in jim ne gre najbolje. Nekateri negativci so v svoji bedi, maščevalnosti in čisti zlobi zapretiravani do karikatur, tako kot so pozitivci plemeniti in nerealni do stopnje debilizma.

Knjiga tudi pravzaprav sploh ni fantasy, saj (vsaj prvi dve) govorita izključno o političnih spletkah med različnimi plemiškimi hišami. Zanemarljivo malo je kakršnih koli fantazijskih elementov in knjiga se bere kot Cankarjev povzetek zgodovine vojne rož ali kakšnih drugih srednjeveških spletk.

V glavnem ne kupujte in ne trudite se, če niste zateženci, ki rabite potrditev kako za***** je ne le ta, temveč še vsi drugi svetovi. Obstaja ogromno bolj zabavne fantazijske literature in še več dosti kvlitetnejših romanov z zgodovinsko tematiko ali tematiko alternativne zgodovine.
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Staro 11.04.2005, 19:22
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mogoce ce bi brala naprej, bi ugotovila, da postane vedno bolj fantasy...prav tako se ne morem strinjati da so vsi dobri ali zli...tyrion je npr ful spletkar, ampak ma v seb ogromno dobrega...ne umrejo samo dobri, niti ne samo slabi, in jst v bistvu nisem dobil nobenega od tvojih nastetih obcutkov...skoda da ti ni bla vsec, i guess da ma vsak svoje mnenje...sicer pa ne vem zakaj se pac tega ne bi vsak odlocil sam...pac predlagam da dobite nekje, preberete in ce vam pac ni kul, je pac ni treba dokoncat...mislm, zato ker enemu ni vsec, na vem zakaj pol ne bi smel noben probat...men tut agatha christie ni vsec, pa vem da jo bere ful folka...

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Staro 12.04.2005, 02:12
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Podbevna: ne se sekirat če ne razumeš. Do takšnih ugotovitev lahko prides samo ob površnem branju al pa popolnem pomankanju občutka in mentalitete za tako knjigo. Če imaš pa željo se pa loh tut bolj argumentirano pogovoriva.

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Staro 25.05.2005, 07:51
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tanatie, že prebral:question:

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Staro 27.05.2005, 08:28
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vsem ljubiteljem pesmice o ognju in ledu sporočam, da je napovedana izdaja četrte knjige 26. julij 2005. Tokrat naj bi zadeva res izšla ob datumu (skor za en let je prestavu izid, naj ga vrane skluvajo).

Aja pa knjiga se bo imenovala A Feast for Crows

Tule je pa še malo o sami knjigi, nič natančnega vendar:

A Feast for Crows

It seems too good to be true. After centuries of bitter strife and fatal treachery, the seven powers dividing the land have decimated one another into an uneasy truce. Or so it appears....With the death of the monstrous King Joffrey, Cersei is ruling as regent in King’s Landing. Robb Stark’s demise has broken the back of the Northern rebels, and his siblings are scattered throughout the kingdom like seeds on barren soil. Few legitimate claims to the once desperately sought Iron Throne still exist--or they are held in hands too weak or too distant to wield them effectively. The war, which raged out of control for so long, has burned itself out.

But as in the aftermath of any climactic struggle, it is not long before the survivors, outlaws, renegades, and carrion eaters start to gather, picking over the bones of the dead and fighting for the spoils of the soon-to-be dead. Now in the Seven Kingdoms, as the human crows assemble over a banquet of ashes, daring new plots and dangerous new alliances are formed, while surprising faces--some familiar, others only just appearing--are seen emerging from an ominous twilight of past struggles and chaos to take up the challenges ahead.

It is a time when the wise and the ambitious, the deceitful and the strong will acquire the skills, the power, and the magic to survive the stark and terrible times that lie before them. It is a time for nobles and commoners, soldiers and sorcerers, assassins and sages to come together and stake their fortunes...and their lives. For at a feast for crows, many are the guests--but only a few are the survivors.

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Staro 27.05.2005, 14:19
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ja, sam baje da je blo ze parkrat za ziher napovedan, pa je pol prestavu...pa slisu sem da je nekje na netu objavljeno eno poglavje in sicer cez oci cersei...

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Staro 12.06.2005, 18:36
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eto, kar je povedal sam avtor o svoji novi in že naslednji knjigi:

No, I haven't finished writing everything I wanted to include in A FEAST FOR CROWS. I have wrapped up a whole bunch of characters and storylines since the last update in January, but "a whole bunch" does not equate to "all."

And I was facing another problem as well: the sheer size of the book.

All of the books in this series have been big, mind you. A GAME OF THRONES weighed in at 1088 pages in manuscript, not counting the appendices. A CLASH OF KINGS was even longer at 1184 pages, not counting the appendices. And A STORM OF SWORDS measured a gargantuan 1521 pages in manuscript, not counting the (etc).

Any publisher will tell you that a book as big as A STORM OF SWORDS is a production nightmare, and STORM did indeed cause problems for many of my publishers around the world. In some languages it was divided into two, three, or even four volumes. Bantam published STORM in a single volume in the United States, but not without difficulty. Pretty much everyone agreed that it would be a really good thing if the fourth volume in the series came in somewhat shorter than STORM, so I set out with the idea of delivering a FEAST closer in length to A CLASH OF KINGS.

Alas for good intentions. In hindsight, I should have known better. The story makes its own demands, as Tolkien once said, and my story kept demanding to get bigger and more complicated.

I passed A CLASH OF KINGS last year, and still had plenty more to write. By January, I had more than 1300 pages, and still had storylines unfinished. About three weeks ago I hit 1527 pages of final draft, surpassing A STORM OF SWORDS... but I also had another hundred or so pages of roughs and incomplete chapters, as well as other chapters sketched out but entirely unwritten. That was when I realized that the light I'd seen at the end of the tunnel was actually the headlight of an onrushing locomotive.

And that's why my publishers and I, after much discussion and weighing of alternatives, have decided to split the narrative into two books (printing in microtype on onion skin paper and giving each reader a magnifying glass was not considered feasible, and I was reluctant to make the sort of deep cuts that would have been necessary to get the book down to a more publishable length, which I felt would have compromised the story).

The first plan was simply to lop the text in half. In that scenario, I would finish the last few chapters in as short a length (and time) as possible. That would have produced a story of maybe 1650 to 1700 pages in manuscript, which we would simply have broken into two chunks of roughly equal length and published as A FEAST FOR CROWS, Part One and A FEAST FOR CROWS, Part Two.

We decided not to do that. It was my feeling -- and I pushed hard for this, so if you don't like the solution, blame me, not my publishers -- that we were better off telling all the story for half the characters, rather than half the story for all the characters. Cutting the novel in half would have produced two half-novels; our approach will produce two novels taking place simultaneously, but set hundreds or even thousands of miles apart, and involving different casts of characters (with some overlap).

The division has been done, and it think it works quite well. The upshot is, A FEAST FOR CROWS is now moving into production. It is still a long book, but not too long; about the same size as A GAME OF THRONES. The focus in FEAST will be on Westeros, King's Landing, the riverlands, Dorne, and the Iron Islands. More than that I won't say.

Meanwhile, all the characters and stories removed from FEAST are moving right into A DANCE WITH DRAGONS, which will focus on events in the east and north. All the chapters I have not yet finished and/or begun are moving into DANCE. I think this is very good, if truth be told, since it will give me the room to complete those arcs as I had originally intended, rather than trying to tie them up quickly in a chapter or two so I could deliver the massively late Big FEAST.

So there it is. I know some of you may be disappointed, especially when you buy A FEAST FOR CROWS and discover that your favorite character does not appear, but given the realities I think this was the best solution... and the more I look at it, the more convinced I am that these two parallel novels, when taken together, will actually tell the story better than one big book.

And if there are those who don't agree, and still want their Big FEAST with all the trimmings set out on one huge table... well, there's an easy fix. Get both books, razor the pages out with an Exacto knife, interleave the chapters as you think best, and bring the towering stack of text that results to your favorite bookbinder... and presto, chango the Big FEAST will live again.

As for me, I am getting back to work. There's good news on that front too -- A DANCE WITH DRAGONS is half-done!!!

(And before anyone asks, yes indeed, this development means that Parris was right all along. It will now probably require seven books to complete the story).


—George R.R. Martin, May 29, 2005


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Staro 13.06.2005, 12:02
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men je vsec ideja...to pomen da bos pr drugi ze prblizn vedu zgodbo, sam da jo bos pol zvedu v detajlih in skozi druge oci...nice

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Staro 27.06.2005, 18:54
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btw baje da je zdele prvi del knjige izsel...kdo ve kje to zdej na hitr dobit, ce clovek nima kreditne kartice?

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