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Staro 19.03.2006, 12:07
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Mene pa zanima zakaj (vsaj ADSL) SiOL-ovi uporabniki prakticno nimamo dostopa do ogromnega dela omrezja BBB ?

Verjetno marsikdo ve da je BBB (Bredbandsbolaget) najvecji skandinavski Internet operater, ki pokriva Svedsko in Norvesko pa morda se kaj. Sam sem opazil, da so prenosi med SiOL-om in dolocenim delom BBB omrezja dobesedno onemogoceni (beri 4KB/s). Razumem pomen "slab routing" samo tole je katastrofa. Na SiOL helpdesk pravijo da je "napaka" na strani BBB. Na T-2 tega problema ni ker imajo ocitno boljsi routing.

Tule je primer:

T-2 VDSL:
1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.123.254
2 27 ms 42 ms 39 ms 84.255.208.255
3 * 54 ms 37 ms 84.255.208.129
4 27 ms 51 ms 29 ms kklag1-176-61.net.uta.at [212.152.176.61]
5 77 ms 62 ms 47 ms c76vix2-g5-1.net.uta.at [212.152.192.98]
6 112 ms 114 ms 37 ms tele2-TGigE-vie.net.uta.at [212.152.189.66]
7 72 ms 65 ms 75 ms vie3-core.pos0-0.swip.net [130.244.205.49]
8 117 ms 99 ms 83 ms fra2-core.pos9-0.swip.net [130.244.205.41]
9 85 ms 68 ms 64 ms cop1-core.pos8-0.swip.net [130.244.193.118]
10 74 ms 77 ms 71 ms bredbandsbolaget-gw.dix.dk [192.38.7.65]
11 113 ms 75 ms 65 ms srp9-0.cr1.mlm2.se.bredband.com [195.54.124.177]
12 121 ms 83 ms 104 ms pos3-0.cr2.sto2.se.bredband.com [195.54.123.29]
13 81 ms 124 ms 121 ms pos13-0.cr1.sto1.se.bredband.com [195.54.123.105]
14 86 ms 91 ms 73 ms ge1-3.dr1.sto1.se.bredband.com [195.54.112.210]
15 76 ms 87 ms 80 ms ge2-7.dr1.sto11.se.bredband.com [195.54.116.2]
16 73 ms 73 ms 112 ms vlan5.dr1.sto10.se.bredband.com [195.54.116.10]
17 135 ms 98 ms 74 ms c-cbe070d5.03-61-73746f10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [213.112.224.203]

SiOL ADSL:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms ios.mshome.net [192.168.0.1]
2 14 ms 13 ms 13 ms BSN-access.dsl.siol.net [213.250.19.90]
3 11 ms 11 ms 13 ms castor.siol.net [213.250.19.206]
4 18 ms 18 ms 19 ms 62.153.203.141
5 35 ms 35 ms 35 ms f-eb5.F.DE.net.DTAG.DE [62.154.17.58]
6 35 ms 35 ms 35 ms ffm-b1-link.telia.net [213.248.103.85]
7 36 ms 35 ms 35 ms ffm-bb1-pos1-1-0.telia.net [213.248.68.9]
8 47 ms 47 ms 47 ms hbg-bb1-pos6-1-0.telia.net [213.248.64.41]
9 66 ms 63 ms 64 ms s-bb1-pos5-0-0.telia.net [213.248.64.29]
10 65 ms 64 ms 64 ms s-b3-pos5-0.telia.net [213.248.66.2]
11 65 ms 65 ms 83 ms b2-100199-s-b3.c.telia.net [213.248.101.50]
12 66 ms 64 ms 65 ms srp9-0.cr2.sto2.se.bredband.com [195.54.123.145]
13 72 ms 72 ms 71 ms pos13-0.cr1.sto1.se.bredband.com [195.54.123.105]
14 64 ms 63 ms 64 ms ge3-8.dr1.sto1.se.bredband.com [195.54.120.82]
15 73 ms 73 ms 71 ms ge2-7.dr1.sto11.se.bredband.com [195.54.116.2]
16 156 ms 76 ms 76 ms vlan5.dr1.sto10.se.bredband.com [195.54.116.10]
17 71 ms 72 ms 65 ms c-cbe070d5.03-61-73746f10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [213.112.224.203]
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Staro 19.03.2006, 19:43
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Mene pa zanima zakaj (vsaj ADSL) SiOL-ovi uporabniki prakticno nimamo dostopa do ogromnega dela omrezja BBB ?
Razumem pomen "slab routing" samo tole je katastrofa. Na SiOL helpdesk pravijo da je "napaka" na strani BBB. Na T-2 tega problema ni ker imajo ocitno boljsi routing.
T-2 VDSL:
17 135 ms 98 ms 74 ms c-cbe070d5.03-61-73746f10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [213.112.224.203]
SiOL ADSL:
17 71 ms 72 ms 65 ms c-cbe070d5.03-61-73746f10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [213.112.224.203]
Glede na zgornje podatke ima SiOL boljši ping kot T-2?
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Staro 19.03.2006, 20:33
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V cemu je tuki problem?
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Staro 19.03.2006, 21:22
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traceroute to www.bredband.com (195.54.106.226), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 cnet-4.ac.triera.net (213.161.11.1) 9.155 ms 10.530 ms 9.615 ms
2 cartman.ip.triera.net (213.161.2.1) 13.736 ms 9.095 ms 10.993 ms
3 so-3-0-0.cr1.vie.ip.triera.net (213.161.2.70) 15.613 ms 14.280 ms 24.721 ms
4 ge-0-0-0.br1.ams.ip.triera.net (213.161.2.66) 36.693 ms 36.426 ms 43.665 ms
5 br1.sto2.se.bredband.com (195.69.144.154) 41.248 ms 38.173 ms 34.608 ms
6 pos15-0.cr2.sto2.se.bredband.com (195.54.123.109) 58.297 ms 61.329 ms 71.408 ms
7 pos11-0.cr1.sto2.se.bredband.com (195.54.123.93) 78.344 ms 55.768 ms 54.001 ms
8 ge1-1.dr3.sto2.se.bredband.com (195.54.118.42) 55.519 ms 57.621 ms 66.760 ms
9 www.bredbandsbolaget.se (195.54.106.226) 61.206 ms * 60.415 ms
:D :D :D
Lp.

PS: V kolikor traceroutam IP katerega ste traceroutali vi, sta dodatna 2 hopa.

Nazadnje uredil tykee : 19.03.2006 ob 21:34.
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Staro 19.03.2006, 21:40
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Traceroutamo mi vsi.....traceroutaj še ti!!!

LP
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Staro 19.03.2006, 22:39
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t-2

Tracing route to c-cbe070d5.03-61-73746f10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [213.112.224
.203]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 13 ms 13 ms 13 ms 84.255.208.255
3 * * 23 ms 84.255.208.129
4 15 ms 16 ms 16 ms kklag1-176-61.net.uta.at [212.152.176.61]
5 24 ms 24 ms 24 ms c76vix2-g5-1.net.uta.at [212.152.192.98]
6 24 ms 24 ms 24 ms tele2-TGigE-vie.net.uta.at [212.152.189.66]
7 59 ms 53 ms 62 ms vie3-core.pos0-0.swip.net [130.244.205.49]
8 53 ms 52 ms 52 ms fra2-core.pos12-0.swip.net [130.244.193.154]
9 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms cop1-core.pos8-0.swip.net [130.244.193.118]
10 53 ms 53 ms 53 ms bredbandsbolaget-gw.dix.dk [192.38.7.65]
11 54 ms 53 ms 53 ms srp9-0.cr1.mlm2.se.bredband.com [195.54.124.177]

12 61 ms 61 ms 61 ms pos3-0.cr2.sto2.se.bredband.com [195.54.123.29]

13 61 ms 61 ms 61 ms pos13-0.cr1.sto1.se.bredband.com [195.54.123.105
]
14 61 ms 61 ms 61 ms ge3-15.dr1.sto1.se.bredband.com [195.54.120.246]

15 61 ms 61 ms 61 ms ge2-7.dr1.sto11.se.bredband.com [195.54.116.2]
16 61 ms 61 ms 61 ms vlan5.dr1.sto10.se.bredband.com [195.54.116.10]

17 62 ms 66 ms 64 ms c-cbe070d5.03-61-73746f10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.
se [213.112.224.203]

Trace complete.

Zgleda kul


Pa se do BBB hp

Tracing route to www.bredbandsbolaget.se [195.54.106.226]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 13 ms 14 ms 13 ms 84.255.208.255
3 * * 13 ms 84.255.208.129
4 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms kklag1-176-69.net.uta.at [212.152.176.69]
5 23 ms 23 ms 24 ms c76vix2-g5-1.net.uta.at [212.152.192.98]
6 24 ms 23 ms 24 ms tele2-TGigE-vie.net.uta.at [212.152.189.66]
7 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms vie3-core.pos0-0.swip.net [130.244.205.49]
8 52 ms 51 ms 51 ms fra2-core.pos12-0.swip.net [130.244.193.154]
9 51 ms 51 ms 52 ms cop1-core.pos8-0.swip.net [130.244.193.118]
10 52 ms 53 ms 53 ms bredbandsbolaget-gw.dix.dk [192.38.7.65]
11 52 ms 53 ms 52 ms srp9-0.cr1.mlm2.se.bredband.com [195.54.124.177]

12 60 ms 60 ms 60 ms pos3-0.cr2.sto2.se.bredband.com [195.54.123.29]

13 60 ms 60 ms 60 ms pos11-0.cr1.sto2.se.bredband.com [195.54.123.93]

14 60 ms 60 ms 60 ms ge1-1.dr3.sto2.se.bredband.com [195.54.118.42]
15 60 ms 60 ms 60 ms www.bredbandsbolaget.se [195.54.106.226]

Trace complete.

Zgleda tud kul
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Staro 19.03.2006, 23:28
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Glede na zgornje podatke ima SiOL boljši ping kot T-2?
Vsekakor ima dober ping sicer je pa menda tudi odvisn odaljenost od centrale in ni 100%,da tisti ki je bližje centrali,da ima boljši ping kot tisti,ki je malo dalje ali komaj v dosegu da še lahko ima adsl.
Kar sem povedal preverjeno!
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Staro 20.03.2006, 00:08
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Bom pa še jaz malo trejsrutou:

traceroute to www.bredbandsbolaget.se (195.54.106.226), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 FE-3-0-100M-CORE (202.59.80.2) 1.234 ms 1.055 ms 1.103 ms
2 10.10.80.1 (10.10.80.1) 2.975 ms 1.868 ms 1.874 ms
3 s2-1.glb57d1.pie.net.pk (202.125.139.233) 3.609 ms 3.060 ms 2.757 ms
4 pos10-0-0.lhe63c1.pie.net.pk (202.125.159.229) 2.206 ms 2.698 ms 2.080 ms
5 pos.khi77c1.pie.net.pk (202.125.159.9) 17.475 ms 17.875 ms 17.926 ms
6 pal6-pakistan-telecom-3-pk.pal.seabone.net (195.22.197.185) 121.233 ms 120.910 ms 120.896 ms
7 fra7-fra1-racc1.fra.seabone.net (195.22.211.217) 152.376 ms 152.187 ms 152.639 ms
8 ffm-b2-pos10-3.telia.net (213.248.68.101) 152.075 ms 153.085 ms 152.194 ms
9 ffm-bb1-link.telia.net (80.91.249.195) 153.279 ms 151.754 ms 151.918 ms
10 hbg-bb1-pos6-1-0.telia.net (213.248.64.41) 161.537 ms 160.082 ms 160.728 ms
11 s-bb1-pos5-0-0.telia.net (213.248.64.29) 182.904 ms 183.941 ms 182.391 ms
12 s-b3-pos5-0.telia.net (213.248.66.2) 178.765 ms 178.832 ms 178.978 ms
13 b2-100199-s-b3.c.telia.net (213.248.101.50) 196.024 ms 194.616 ms 195.022 ms
14 pos9-0.cr1.sto2.se.bredband.com (195.54.123.141) 194.410 ms 194.605 ms 195.274 ms
15 ge1-1.dr3.sto2.se.bredband.com (195.54.118.42) 180.448 ms 179.074 ms 178.540 ms
16 www.bredbandsbolaget.se (195.54.106.226) 183.310 ms * 183.185 ms

:cool2:

Nazadnje uredil kekez : 20.03.2006 ob 00:15.
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Staro 20.03.2006, 07:51
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Koda:
  3    <1 ms    <1 ms     2 ms  castor.siol.net [213.250.19.206]
  4     6 ms     5 ms     6 ms  62.153.203.141
  5    19 ms    19 ms    19 ms  f-eb5.F.DE.net.DTAG.DE [62.154.17.58]
  6    20 ms    20 ms    20 ms  ffm-b1-link.telia.net [213.248.103.85]
  7    20 ms    20 ms    20 ms  ffm-bb1-link.telia.net [213.248.64.137]
  8    27 ms    27 ms    27 ms  hbg-bb1-pos6-1-0.telia.net [213.248.64.41]
  9    49 ms    49 ms    49 ms  s-bb1-pos5-0-0.telia.net [213.248.64.29]
 10    49 ms    49 ms    67 ms  s-b3-pos5-0.telia.net [213.248.66.2]
 11    49 ms    49 ms    49 ms  b2-100199-s-b3.c.telia.net [213.248.101.50]
 12    49 ms    49 ms    49 ms  pos2-0.cr2.sto2.se.bredband.com [195.54.117.21]
 13    56 ms    56 ms    55 ms  pos13-0.cr1.sto1.se.bredband.com [195.54.123.105]
 14    52 ms    52 ms    51 ms  ge1-1.dr1.sto1.se.bredband.com [195.54.117.150]
 15    52 ms    52 ms    52 ms  ge2-7.dr1.sto11.se.bredband.com [195.54.116.2]
 16    59 ms    56 ms    56 ms  vlan5.dr1.sto10.se.bredband.com [195.54.116.10]
 17    60 ms    59 ms    60 ms  c-cbe070d5.03-61-73746f10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [213.112.224.203]

----------------------------------

C:\>pathping 213.112.224.203

Tracing route to c-cbe070d5.03-61-73746f10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [213.112.224
.203]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
  3  castor.siol.net [213.250.19.206]
  4  62.153.203.141
  5  f-eb5.F.DE.net.DTAG.DE [62.154.17.58]
  6  ffm-b1-link.telia.net [213.248.103.85]
  7  ffm-bb1-link.telia.net [213.248.64.137]
  8  hbg-bb1-pos6-1-0.telia.net [213.248.64.41]
  9  s-bb1-pos5-0-0.telia.net [213.248.64.29]
 10  s-b3-pos5-0.telia.net [213.248.66.2]
 11  b2-100199-s-b3.c.telia.net [213.248.101.50]
 12  pos2-0.cr2.sto2.se.bredband.com [195.54.117.21]
 13  pos13-0.cr1.sto1.se.bredband.com [195.54.123.105]
 14  ge1-1.dr1.sto1.se.bredband.com [195.54.117.150]
 15  ge2-7.dr1.sto11.se.bredband.com [195.54.116.2]
 16  vlan5.dr1.sto10.se.bredband.com [195.54.116.10]
 17  c-cbe070d5.03-61-73746f10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [213.112.224.203]

Computing statistics for 425 seconds...
            Source to Here   This Node/Link
Hop  RTT    Lost/Sent = Pct  Lost/Sent = Pct  Address
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  3    5ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  castor.siol.net [213.250.19.206]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  4    6ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  62.153.203.141
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  5   20ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  f-eb5.F.DE.net.DTAG.DE [62.154.17.58]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  6   20ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ffm-b1-link.telia.net [213.248.103.85]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  7   20ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ffm-bb1-link.telia.net [213.248.64.137]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  8   27ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  hbg-bb1-pos6-1-0.telia.net [213.248.64.41]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  9   51ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  s-bb1-pos5-0-0.telia.net [213.248.64.29]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 10   51ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  s-b3-pos5-0.telia.net [213.248.66.2]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 11   46ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  b2-100199-s-b3.c.telia.net [213.248.101.50]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 12   47ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  pos2-0.cr2.sto2.se.bredband.com [195.54.117.21]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 13   53ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  pos13-0.cr1.sto1.se.bredband.com [195.54.123.105]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 14   50ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ge1-1.dr1.sto1.se.bredband.com [195.54.117.150]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 15   52ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ge2-7.dr1.sto11.se.bredband.com [195.54.116.2]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 16   55ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  vlan5.dr1.sto10.se.bredband.com [195.54.116.10]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 17   59ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  c-cbe070d5.03-61-73746f10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [213.112.224.203]

Trace complete.

Nazadnje uredil storz : 20.03.2006 ob 07:54.
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Staro 20.03.2006, 08:09
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Ta traceroute sem pastal zato da se vidi route (pot) med SiOL-om in streznikom na BBB in za primerjavo se route med T-2 in tistim streznikom na BBB. To da ping ne pove nic o samem prenosu podatkov med dvema racunalnikoma bi moralo biti tako ali tako jasno, drugace pa naj sluzi tisti moj traceroute kot dokazilo. Skratka bistvo je v razliki poti med T-2 in SiOL-om do 213.112.224.203, verjamete mi pa lahko da je hitrost downloadanja od tam k meni enaka v povprecju 6KB/s. Saj to ni edini server od koder gre slabo. Verjetno gre celi class C network 213.112.224.* ali celo B (213.112.*.*) tako slabo. Bom probal najti kaksen http server na teh IPjih pa bom pastal kak link do datoteke pa boste lahko se ostali sprobal. Ne pa pozabit da govorim samo o dolocenem delu BBB omrezja (so tudi BBB IPji ki delajo cisto OK, predvsem tisti za podrocje Norveske *.no). Tudi sam homepage mislim da dela ok.

Upam da tele stvari prebira kaksen tehnik na SiOLu da lahko malo preveri in se zamisli.
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