Gaza

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Vidim, da ne razumeš... pa nič zato
Živi v sanjah

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če pričakuješ kakšno vojno se motiš
Ne bo vojne niti vojaškega napada na izrael.
Niti Iran ga nebo napadel

Izrael bo propadel od znotraj... ampak tega tebi podobni ne razumete ali nočete razumet...
Izraelu se dogaja "sindrom Kosovo".
Priseljevanje "sveže krvi" se je ustavilo zaradi nestabilnih razmer (napol vojna, napol mir),
da so razmere za Izrael kot državo Židov še slabše so se mladi Židi začeli izseljevat v bolj varne države...
Obenem ne gre spregledat dejstva, da se procent nežidovskega prebivalstva vsako leto poveča.
Trenutne demografske razmere v Izraelu kažejo na to, da bojo Židi v približno 25 letih zgubili status večinskega prebivalstva... kar pa bo dejansko pomenilo začetek konca Izraela...

Ali po Ahmedinejadovo začetek izbrisa iz zemljevidov

Knapek in njegove informacije iz prve roke-internet,...lej sej če maš vesele, da citiraš valelnčiča ti noben ne bran sam se pa spodob, da omeniš od kot ti ta tvoje strašna "razgledanost"!!
Pač bi blo lepo da ljudje preberejo celoten umotvor, ki je bolj ali manj zdravljenje frustracij, ranjenega ponosa,...potem ko je na ben gurionu po " strašnem nečloveškem trpinčenju" postal mučenik slovenskih levičarjev,..
Sicer pa pustmo knapu veselje, nas pa "strašni zmoti",..

ps. tisto glede kosovsega sindroma (knapova in ne valenčičeva pogruntavščina) me pa res zanima, kje si ti najdu vzporedice, razlož kdaj če se ti bo dalo,...

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Knapek in njegove informacije iz prve roke-internet,...lej sej če maš vesele, da citiraš valelnčiča ti noben ne bran sam se pa spodob, da omeniš od kot ti ta tvoje strašna "razgledanost"!!
Pač bi blo lepo da ljudje preberejo celoten umotvor, ki je bolj ali manj zdravljenje frustracij, ranjenega ponosa,...potem ko je na ben gurionu po " strašnem nečloveškem trpinčenju" postal mučenik slovenskih levičarjev,..
Sicer pa pustmo knapu veselje, nas pa "strašni zmoti",..

ps. tisto glede kosovsega sindroma (knapova in ne valenčičeva pogruntavščina) me pa res zanima, kje si ti najdu vzporedice, razlož kdaj če se ti bo dalo,...

No pa se mal poglejmo kaj pravi CIA o demografskih gibanjih v Izraelu


CIA World Factbook
1994

Population:

5,050,850 (July 1994 est.)

Židi __ 82% __ ali. 4,141,697 ljudi
Nežidi 18% ___ali _ 909,153 ljudi



CIA World Factbook 2007

Židi __ 76.4% 5,433,842
Nežidi 23,6% 1,678,516

CIA World Factbook 2007

Sklep:
Prirast Nežidov se je v 13 letih povečal za 84%
Kr pomeni, da se bo v naslednih 30 letih število Nežidov dvignilo na 4,800,000 ljudi...
In glede na trend izseljevanja Židov iz Izraela se bo se bo v naslednjih letih iz Izraela izselil dober miljon Židov je stanje že danes skrajno zaskrbljujoče (za Žide).

Statistika je K***A !!!!

In kje vidim Kosovski sindrom?
V hiperprodukciji Nežidov in v izseljevanju Židov iz Izraela...

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Trdis torej, da se bo Izrael pokoncal, ker je TOLERANTEN do svojih arabskih drzavljanov. K sreci, mnogi izraelski arabci ne zelijo konca drzave, ki jim omogoca najvisjo kavaliteto zivljenja na BV. Vceraj je arabsko naselje ns severu Izraela prebarvalo svojo Djamijo v modro-belo.

Pa vsi se srečno smehljajo, kot na kakšnem severnokorejskem posterju, kajne shame_of_zion...

Izraelske kvalitetne okupacije pa si ne želijo niti Druzi in hočejo nazaj v državo zla Sirijo...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/h...hts/html/1.stm

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No pa se mal poglejmo kaj pravi CIA o demografskih gibanjih v Izraelu


CIA World Factbook
1994

Population:

5,050,850 (July 1994 est.)

Židi __ 82% __ ali. 4,141,697 ljudi
Nežidi 18% ___ali _ 909,153 ljudi



CIA World Factbook 2007

Židi __ 76.4% 5,433,842
Nežidi 23,6% 1,678,516

CIA World Factbook 2007

Sklep:
Prirast Nežidov se je v 13 letih povečal za 84%
Kr pomeni, da se bo v naslednih 30 letih število Nežidov dvignilo na 4,800,000 ljudi...
In glede na trend izseljevanja Židov iz Izraela se bo se bo v naslednjih letih iz Izraela izselil dober miljon Židov je stanje že danes skrajno zaskrbljujoče (za Žide).

hehehe če sem že kaj dosegu pri teb sem te vsaj procente nauču račun,....sicer pa piš kar češ ker lahko ti še stokrat napišem, da so zaradi varnostnega zida "neprostovoljno" padlo znotraj meja izraela nekaj deset tisoč palestincev(jeruzalem bljižna ter daljna okolica) pa mi boš še zmeraj iste traparije ven metal.
Sicer pa še mal "moje" propagande, da ne boš samo ti imel svojga "Valenčiča" čeravno je moja "propaganda" neprimerno bolj verodostojna od enega ****...
"The demographic problem is not only not lethal to Israel," Ettinger told Yishai Fleisher on IsraelNationalRadio.com, "the tailwind is in fact going in favor of the Jews, not the Arabs."
In 1995, the number of Jewish births comprised 69% of all births in Israel, while today it is 75%.

The most startling recent demographic finding, Ettinger said, "is that between 1995 and 2007, the annual number of Jewish births has increased by 40%, from some 80,000 to 112,000 Jewish births each year. During this period, the number of Arab births within the Green Line [pre-'67 Israel] has stabilized at around 39,000 a year. In addition, in 1995, the number of Jewish births comprised 69% of all births in Israel, while today it is 75%. This means that from year to year, Jewish society in Israel becomes relatively younger, while Arab society becomes older."
The true numbers, Ettinger told Arutz-7 last month, are as follows: "Within the Green Line, there are currently 1.4 million Arabs, compared with almost 6 million Jews. In Judea and Samaria, there are 1.5 million Arabs, and not 2.3 million, as [the PA] claims. In Gaza, there are 1.1 million, and not 1.5 million."

Ettinger then summed up: "What this shows is that the trend is Jewish, not Arab. One of the conclusions must be that there is absolutely no reason for Israel to give away Jewish geography in favor of Jewish demography. Anyone who says otherwise is either recklessly wrong or misleading."
There is no doubt that demographic optimistic and hope is much more conducive for better long-term planning, a better economy, a better investment climate, and a better social climate.

Asked by Fleisher about other important demographers whose conclusions are otherwise, Ettinger responded clearly and concisely: "The facts are that the others have been wrong, and here are some examples. In the 80s, those demographers told Israelis that there was no chance of a massive Aliyah [immigration] from the USSR, and that if the gates were to be opened, the Jews would mainly go to the US, Germany and elsewhere. Of course, one million came to Israel... The founder of the Central Bureau of Statistics told Ben-Gurion back in 1948 to delay the Declaration of Independence because conventional demographics at that time said that the 600,000 Jews were expected to become a minority within 20 years. They also told him not to expect Jewish Aliyah after the War of Independence. Once again, they were wrong. They also said in the 1970s that we shouldn't expect Soviet Aliyah - when in fact about 200,000 came."

"So time after time," Ettinger said, "the conventional Israeli demographers were wrong on Aliyah, and were wrong on Jewish fertility, and were wrong on Arab fertility. Jewish fertility in Israel over the past 10-15 years is the highest in the industrialized world - contrary to predictions that it would drop!"

Asked about the Arab growth rate in Judea and Samaria (Yesha), Ettinger had a detailed answer: "Arab fertility in Yesha reached its peak in 1992, for a simple reason: The Six Day War in 1967 brought about an interaction between a Western society and a third-world society - the Arabs of Yesha. When this phenomenon happens, it triggers one generation of unprecedented growth rate in the third-world society, primarily due to better health services, longer life expectancy, etc. After one generation, the fertility rates begin dropping and coming closer to Western fertility rates; at the same time, the death rate increases because the increased life expectancy meant there were many more older people - leading to a general decline in growth. The Jewish birth rate, however - seeing as we are a non-normative Western society - defies these rules, and we keep creeping upward."

The bottom line, Ettinger concludes, is that "Arab fertility rates have decreased tremendously since 1993, and perhaps more importantly, emigration has increased considerably, especially since 2000. When Hamas took over Gaza, 25,000 more people emigrated than immigrated, compared with 16,000 the year before. Between 1950 and 2007, in every year except for six of them, they lost people in net emigration."

Ettinger explained that it is important for a country to know the truth, and not wallow in "baseless, pessimistic, fatalistic projections" and "suicidal talk about the 'besieged Jewish state.' There is no doubt that demographic optimism and hope is much more conducive for better long-term planning, a better economy, a better investment climate, and a better social climate. Certainly it is better to enter into critical national security and diplomatic issues with demographic confidence; this expands your options and your room for maneuverability. If, on the other hand, you come with fatalism and demographic sweat on your brow, it restricts your options and leads to defeat."


"Right now, we have a 60% Jewish majority between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River - and 67% if we don't include Gaza. Those who say that this is not good enough and that we must therefore give away Arab-populated areas, I say that we should remember that in 1947, when the UN granted us the right to have a State, the Jews were only 33% of the population. In 1900, we were only 8%! Anyone who understands nationalism and demographics cannot deal with short-term considerations, but rather must look 100 years backward and 100 years forward. Over 100 years we have grown from 8% to 60%, and looking to the future, we can also derive comfort from the growing Jewish birth rates and the declining Arab rates."

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In kje vidim Kosovski sindrom?
V hiperprodukciji Nežidov in v izseljevanju Židov iz Izraela...

Izrael in kosovo nista niti malo primerljiva,... morda judje na veliko prodajajo zemljo arabcem ter tako apalestinci širijo svoje etnično področje?? ali je ravno obratno?!? tvojo hiperpdukcijo imaš predvse zunaj meja (zida) izraela znotraj izraela se stvari vedno bolj izravnavajo,..in nazadnje asimilacija.

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No ja naj ti bo... kr živi v sanjah

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No ja naj ti bo... kr živi v sanjah

No, ja sanje so zaslužne, da so se sploh ohrani medtem, ko je od drugih ostal samo prah ter piš v vetru .....bi blo pa bolj zanimivio predvsem pa resno, vprašanje o obstoju Slovencev, glede na to, da se etnično področje že vse čas krči. Sem, že en lep čas nazaj imel neke opravke v lj pa sem se sam pri seb vprašal če sem morda državo falil,...torej ne želi drugim tega, kar se lahko tebi zgodi že "jutri"!!

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Za statistiko in dejansko stanje Izraela nisem odgovoren!
ko je Olmert ukazal napad na Libanon in uničenje Hezbollaha je s tem hotel preprečit točno to o čemer sem pisal.
Vendar mu je gladko spodletelo...
Izraelu je hotel na silo zagotovit varnost, da bi po eni strani obdržal Žide v državi in po drugi strani zagotovil varnoost za novince.
Izrael, ki je NON-STOP po lastni želji na robu vojne pač ni zanimiva destinacija za ekonomske emigrante.

Nevem koliko krat sem na tem forumu že napisal, da je za Izrael edina rešitev trajni mir in pogajat zanj se bo potrebno z vsemi (Hezbollah, Hamas, Sirija, Iran).
Brez izjem se bojo morali vsi vsest skupaj... od teroristov do narcistov...
Prvi, ki je to dojel je bil Icak Rabin, ki je z Arafatom podpisal zelo dober mirovni sporazum (super ugoden za Žide).
Ustavlo se je pri pogajanjih o mejah Palestine... pravzaprav o dobrih 3% ozemlja...

Druga in verjetno zadnja rešitev za Izrael kot državo Židov je bila ponudba Arabske lige (mir za zemljo), da boš lažje razumel umik Izraela iz J.Libanona, Golana, Z. Jordanije in Gaze.
Drugače je Izrael izgubljen primer in kot kaže je že izgubljen primer...

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Sem, že en lep čas nazaj imel neke opravke v lj pa sem se sam pri seb vprašal če sem morda državo falil,.!

Pojdi raje v VB tam Angležev ni več...Francija je črna, Italija je črna, Španija je črna, Nemčija je črna, Nizozemska je črna...
EU staroselci smo ga že kratko potegnili, ko so ene zahrbtne naci barabe začele rečit autohtone vrste z uvozom ekzotike...
To bo še zelo zanimiva zgodba... prej ali slej bo prišlo do varnostnega samoorganiziranja staroselcev tako kot je že prišlo v Španiji.
Po drugi strani lahko pričakuješ močan vzpon NDPja in njegovih klonov... in sledila bo "kristalna noč"...
Razen če nebojo trenutno vladajoče mafije kapitala pravočasno zategnile ročno zavoro in ukinile pravico do državljanstva za neautohtone vrste... in drastično zreducirale priseljevanje.
Po Avstralskem vzoru...

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Nekdanji ameriški predsednik se je po Siriji, ki jo je obiskal prejšnji teden, odpravil v Jeruzalem. Že v Siriji se je sešel s Hamasovimi voditelji in dejal, da največjo težavo pri dosegu dogovora predstavljajo ZDA in Izrael, ki se ne želita sestati s predstavniki Hamasa, v svojem govoru v Jeruzalemu pa je poudaril, da je mirovni proces nazadoval, odkar so ZDA novembra gostile obe strani v Annapolisu.

Carter je dejal, da je Hamas poudaril, da je pripravljen sprejeti izraelsko državo v okviru njegovih meja pred letom 1967, če bodo Palestinci podprli tak dogovor.